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If you were to make an American Godzilla film... - How would you do it? 
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cultofsucktitude wrote:
This is really interesting, because I was talking to some folks prior to the 98 Godzilla film who didn't believe an American audience would be able to embrace some of the fantasy elements of Godzilla. Just as predicted, it was simply just another version of Jurassic Park on a larger scale. He was nothing more than a big lizard who could outrun Military aircrafts but couldn't catch up to a taxi.
Do you think that's true? If Tri Star released a film with Godzilla as an indestructible living nuclear weapon, do you think it would have been well-recieved?
I always heard the reason we got the movie that came out was because Devlin and Emmerich was already working on their own concept for a giant monster movie and after Jon De Bont went way overbudget with his G concept they simply tacked the title of Godzilla over this other film.

There are many people who say that Godzilla would not be well recieved. But, if the movie was done right, then it would probably be more popular.

Also, the problem with GINO was that it didn't feel like the spirit of Godzilla. In a way, it was just another American-made monster movie that would appear on the SciFi Channel on Saturday nights more that a theatical release nowadays.

Also, don't forget that the cartoon starring this version of Zilla was successful, cause it maintain the spirit of the Japanese movies. The only reason it got cancel was because of the whole Pokemon/Digimon Wars going on around that time.


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Nice, Mud Puppy.
I do admit to a problim with the T-Rex style gait of the version you propose. To "Deanzilla" to me.
Maby its a human bias, but the upright posture just seems...well, appropriate.
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Overall, my thinking is that the remake has to do something different. I mean, the original-- even the version with Raymond Burr conversing with the backs of people's heads in every third shot-- is so damn good that merely updating the setting to the present day is completely pointless.

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Overall, my thinking is that the remake has to do something different. I mean, the original-- even the version with Raymond Burr conversing with the backs of people's heads in every third shot-- is so damn good that merely updating the setting to the present day is completely pointless.

Not to mention that a straight re-make would be a bit dated. Much of the power of the original movie stems from its chronological proximity to the actual Hiroshima/Nagisaki bombing so that the connection between the movie and the event was unmistakeable.

Updating the original movie to the modern day loses much of what made Gojira resonate with Japanese and American audiences.

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Flangepart wrote:
I do admit to a problim with the T-Rex style gait of the version you propose. To "Deanzilla" to me.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of the old, outdated ideas of how T-Rex stood. The American version stood more parallel to the ground than at a 45 degree angle.

I also forgot to mkention my idea of a ship being found before the Odo Island attack with all its crew missing, contaminated with radiation, and having the character "Gojira" drawn on the bow in blood.

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As for my ideas of updating it to the modern day, it has more to do with the idea of thinking that something that happened 50 years ago could have any relevance to the modern day. That carelessness now could someday lead to horrible consequences down the road.

Definitely some of the horror is less extreme now than roughly ten years after Hiroshima, but the potential for horror is still there. Particularly since the A-bomb is a horrific thing, even if these days it's become a joke to a lot of people. Still, if one blew up in your country tomorrow it would cease to be a joke.

I never said it was the greatest idea, just one I'm fond of.

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I'm sorry, Mud Puppy, I came off too critical there. I don't know what I'm talking about. If I'm critical of your idea, then I have to be twice as critical of my idea to remake THEM because I don't even try to update what made the ants gigantic. You've got a fully realized story and all I have is that I want the ants to be muppets.

On the positive side, I like how you updated how America would view the "legend of Godzilla", making a pop culture what the Japanese take very seriously. And if I thought about it a bit more, that's a pretty good criticism of how we can trivialize something that others take very seriously.

I also dig the claw.

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Not to mention that a straight re-make would be a bit dated. Much of the power of the original movie stems from its chronological proximity to the actual Hiroshima/Nagisaki bombing so that the connection between the movie and the event was unmistakeable.

Yeah, poor <s>Kenny</s> Matthew Broderick couldn't even trace Fraudzilla back to global warming. That's too <s>lame</s> subtle to be the root cause of something huge and angry and scary like Goji.

Unless of course you just replaced Goji with an 800' fire-breathing Al Gore.

Now, if you replace the angry war dead of Big two with the angry terrorism victims of The Unending Clusterfunk That Is The Middle Eastern Crisis, you might be onto a totally new kaiju.




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Bergerjacques wrote:
I'm sorry, Mud Puppy, I came off too critical there. I don't know what I'm talking about. If I'm critical of your idea, then I have to be twice as critical of my idea to remake THEM because I don't even try to update what made the ants gigantic. You've got a fully realized story and all I have is that I want the ants to be muppets.

I didn't mean to come off as if I was lashing out at you for being critical, I was just trying to better explain my idea.

as for remaking Them!...well, I'd had the idea to that ever since I saw the movie as a kid and I had no plans to update the origins of the ants. :D Of course, with all the ideas already floating in my head, I've had to let that one go.

But I'm glad you liked the claw idea. I first had the idea for that when I came up with, essentially, a sequel to the original Godzilla film that was more or less an American remake of Godzilla vs. Hedorah only more coherent. Basically Godzilla is still hostile and first attacks San Francisco before being drawn to Los Angeles to fight the "amphibian" stage of Hedorah, who this time around is a government experiment to control pollution gone somewhat awry. (Interestingly I came up with this idea a few months before it was announced that Hedorah would be in Godzilla: Final Wars and there were some very slight similarities in my design and theirs--basically just the eyes, though)

When I designed Godzilla, I came up with a more dinosaurian creature and thought I'd put the Baronyx claw on his middle finger. It looked rather akward, so eventually I decided it would look a lot better on the forefinger, and now every Godzilla design I draw in my idle time has that claw. I like the ferocity it adds to him.

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The Mud Puppy wrote:
Flangepart wrote:
I do admit to a problim with the T-Rex style gait of the version you propose. To "Deanzilla" to me.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of the old, outdated ideas of how T-Rex stood. The American version stood more parallel to the ground than at a 45 degree angle.

I also forgot to mkention my idea of a ship being found before the Odo Island attack with all its crew missing, contaminated with radiation, and having the character "Gojira" drawn on the bow in blood.

Hummm...okey, i see what you mean. In some scene, the original did have an angle to him, particulary when advancing on an enemy.
Like the "Drawn in blood" idea.

I still want MechaKong to kick some keester....

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Flangepart wrote:
The Mud Puppy wrote:
Flangepart wrote:
I do admit to a problim with the T-Rex style gait of the version you propose. To "Deanzilla" to me.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of the old, outdated ideas of how T-Rex stood. The American version stood more parallel to the ground than at a 45 degree angle.

I also forgot to mkention my idea of a ship being found before the Odo Island attack with all its crew missing, contaminated with radiation, and having the character "Gojira" drawn on the bow in blood.

Hummm...okey, i see what you mean. In some scene, the original did have an angle to him, particulary when advancing on an enemy.
Like the "Drawn in blood" idea.

Radioactive kaiju poo would be more, you know, traditional.

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Wow. At least Boomboom22 and his/her phalanx of alter egos made some sort of effort to look like they were contributing to the conversation, instead of just pulling irrelevant dialogue out of a hat. A new low in the science of shilling was reached this day...

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If I were making an American Godzilla movie, it would show on the completely awesome Lifetime network. Do you guys watch Lifetime? It's awesome.

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No, you guys, that's clearly a haiku-like bit of free verse about Godzilla movies. The "Man of the Match" is of course Godzilla himself, and "a bug to be" refers to his defeat by the Mothra larvae in G. vs. the Thing. "Not crash as often" is a wry Atragon reference, and "if firefox is running" probably has something to do with BUY WoW GOLD! BUY WoW GOLD! BUY WoW GOLD!

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Beggar So's hat wrote:
If I were making an American Godzilla movie, it would show on the completely awesome Lifetime network. Do you guys watch Lifetime? It's awesome.


Only if the show ends with the lovers being stepped on by Godzilla. But thats just me...

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